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Wile E. Coyote
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Helen of Troy= Flavia Julia Helene
They are two versions of the same story: one is polytheist, one is monotheist.
The Hero/Crusader, either sets off to either rescue Helen of Troy or, following in the footsteps of Flavia Julia Helen, the crusdaer needs to retrieve the relic of Christ, the Three Kings etc
This is why.
Odysseus story = Richard the Lionheart
King Richard's ship gets wrecked near Aquileia on his return, forcing him to travel through Europe, he gets captured, his kingdom goes to ruin whilst he is away, and so on.
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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This is very cool. But we have to really move a lot of things about in the timeline. Richard and Helena are hardly chronological contemporaries.
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Wile E. Coyote
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There is a famous Eleanor crucial to Richard's odyssey.
1192, King Richard has signed a three-year truce with the leader of the Saracens, Saladin, which has ensured Christian pilgrims have access to the holy sites of Jerusalem, he has ensured that all future pilgrims can follow in the footsteps of Flavia Julia Helene.
Richard's mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine, contacts him advising him to settle his affairs in the Holy Land and return home as Richard's own kingdom is at risk as Richard's brother John was eager to conspire with Richard's enemies. This is the start of King Richard's incredible Odyssey.
Eleanor of Aquitaine:
| There is a scarcity of primary sources on Eleanor's life.[4] There are no contemporary biographies, and modern biographies are largely drawn from annals and chronicles, generally written by clerics associated with the royal courts. There are very few surviving records from Aquitaine and she is barely mentioned in records of the French court,[5] and appears to have been actively erased from memory.[6][7][8] Consequently, accounts of Eleanor appear largely as a peripheral figure in chronicles of the men around her.[9] Important secular sources from England and Wales include Roger of Howden, Walter Map, Ralph de Diceto, Gerald of Wales and Ralph Niger. |
| In the absence of reliable contemporary accounts, legend and speculation have frequently been resorted to;[25][26][6] "rarely in the course of historical endeavor has so much been written, over so many centuries, about one woman of whom we know so little".[27] |
Because she is made up.
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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What is the likelihood of these monotheist Helens (polytheist Helen of Troy)?
Eleanor of Aquitaine, Eleanor of England, and Eleanor of Castile all with noted stories connected to the crusades (Eleanor of Castile actually took part) all in the footsteps of Flavia Julia Helene (mother of Constantine I) who recovered the True Cross.
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Mick Harper
Site Admin
In: London
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Since she is one of the most famous women in history--played by Katherine Hepburn opposite Peter O'Toole's Henry II in The Lion in Winter, no less--this will be a considerable coup.
Especially against me. I feature her heavily in my account of the part played by the Troubadour Movement in the development of literary demotics, the lynchpin of the Modern World.
PS Don't forget to work in the Eleanor crosses. They're right Megalithic. (And Apostolic.)
| The Eleanor crosses were a series of twelve tall and lavishly decorated stone monuments topped with crosses erected in a line down part of the east of England. King Edward I had them built between 1291 and about 1295 in memory of his wife Eleanor of Castile. | |
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Wile E. Coyote
In: Arizona
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| Eleanor's crosses appear to have been intended in part as expressions of royal power; and in part as cenotaphs to encourage prayers for her soul from travellers.[7][8][9] On the pedestal of each was inscribed the phrase Orate pro anima ("Pray for [her] soul").[10] |
This is a starting point. They need to be understood as propaganda (like triumphal arches).
They are trying to rehabilitate the idea of a pure Helene travelling, pilgrimage, crusades etc. Eleanor Castille (castle) is supposed to have gone on a crusade. What ortho misses is that "Eleanor's" religious crusade actually took place in England.
| Eleanor's reputation had been tarnished by her trafficking in Jewish loans and land acquisition in her own lifetime |
What was an essentially religious crusade, Angels v Saracens (Moors) crusade model, has post facto been altered to an .....Anglo Saxon model, justified by a fake earlier invasion proto-chronology, they added years, scripts and lineages to justify these religious land grabs.
So it was England=Angel land
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Ishmael
In: Toronto
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Angle Land
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