Lucy Letby (Politics)

[Mick Harper]

Though talking about people coming home with mystery stains on their clothes, one of the best examples of 'careful ignoral' is when contemplating one's significant other's fidelity.

The curious feature of the situation is that his/her being unfaithful is not necessarily a game-changer in itself, but knowing they actually are is. Every individual is aware of the fact that most people in our society are non-monogamous at some time or other in their monogamous relationships so it is not something that can be put into psychic deep freeze.

You'd just rather not know in your own specific application of the general statistic. Not that I, specifically, have had sufficient number of lengthy monogamous relationships to be an expert on the subject.

[Wile E. Coyote]

If Dr Ravi Jayaram had witnessed what he thought was a criminal act by Lucy Letby, (not raising the alarm) then subsequently memoed staff, that she did raise the alarm, he has arguably it appears in effect "washed the clothes"

This is arguably a criminal offence on his part. It is irrelevant that a police investigation was not going at the time of his memo. If the Doctor had reason to beleive, at the time of the memo, that a subsequent police investigation of Letby would take place, (and the evidence is that, he later encouraged the police to investigate), it is still potentially a serious criminal case, and aslo a legal case against the hospital.

Thirwell will need to address this, as the purpose of the enquiry is to stop future serial killers, (It presupposes Letbys guilt) and allowing doctors to provide cover for a serial killers actions cannot be right.

Dr Ravi Jayaram, has not commented on this latest memo so their might be a simple explanation for all this. Innocence until proven guilty has to be always assumed.

[Mick Harper]

I just noticed this thread, I don't know how long after that last post of Wiley's, but it gave me a start.

[Mick Harper]

The enquiry into Nottingham University Hospital's maternity services has issued a preliminary report. There is, on average, one untoward death every four months, though 1.7 million cases are being sorted through for examples of 'corporate manslaughter'.

I had no idea there were so many Lucy Letbies at large in my old alma mater.

[Wile E. Coyote]

We have reached the stage of the witchhunt, where senior villagers are being detained for not admitting that the village might have had a witch, and calling forth for a witchfinder earlier.

Or put another way, three senior managers who worked at the hospital where Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies have now been arrested, and bailed, by police whilst they look at allegations of manslaughter by “gross negligence".

It's a moral panic...........

[Wile E. Coyote]

These folks could also end up being jailed for not spotting a serial killer in their midst.

If it goes to trial, it's presumably going to be the consultants giving the evidence against their three management colleagues.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Conviction of gross negligence manslaughter can also result in a life sentence.

[Wile E. Coyote]

The Police have also passed a further file to the CPS alleging Letby committed further murders not just at the Contess of Chester but Liverpool's Women Hospital as well.

If she is convicted again, we potentially could then see arrests of managers at Liverpool Womens Hospital.....if they also did not spot the serial killer in their midst.........

[Mick Harper]

Ah, but didn't you hear the spokesperson say the negligence enquiry at Chester has no relation to the Letby case? Any self respecting NHS maternity unit can have a murderous nurse and grossly negligent consultants independently killing babies at the same time.

Well, not precisely at the same time. They were not in cahoots, as far we know. Though it started with triplets which does, I agree, complicate the situation.

[Wile E. Coyote]

The CPS are saying that they will look at the managers' case independently of the Letby case.

The Police, however (Wiley thinks unwisely), did not separate their investigations.

Det Supt Paul Hughes is the Senior Investigating Officer for both Operation Hummingbird (into Lucy Letby) and Operation Duet (into the actions of the hospital's senior leadership at the time).

[Wile E. Coyote]

Are the CPS really going to allow these new charges being brought against Letby (alleged further murders) to be brought forward?

Will they be a bit more sceptical about the prosecution's science the second time around?

If it goes to a further trial, what would happen if Letby's defence team call some medical neonatal experts as defence witnesses this time?

This could help vindicate or blow apart the earlier conviction.

[Mick Harper]

There is no chance of this happening. Prosecutory authorities don't go round looking for pandora's boxes.

The first thing a barrister is taught is, "Never ask a question to which you don't know the answer." I suppose the second thing would be, "Never ask a question to which you suspect the answer will blow up in your face and leave egg all over it."