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Pete Jones
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The Nations of Jacob and Esau are theologically, cosmically important:

In the biblical narrative, the Edomites are depicted as Israel’s bitter, treacherous "brother" nation.

They are Objects of Divine Wrath:
Due to their treatment of Israel, biblical prophets like Obadiah, Ezekiel, and Malachi characterize Edom as a nation destined for total divine judgment and eventual desolation.

I think you will accept without proof that the Israelites are theologically, cosmically important to the Israelites.

Horus and Set are theologically, cosmically, important:

In Egyptian theology, Horus and Set represent the two necessary, opposing forces of the universe—order (Ma'at) and chaos (Isfet). They are frequently depicted together in temple carvings binding the plants of Upper and Lower Egypt to show unification. In this symbolic sense, they are "cosmic brothers"—two halves of a single, functioning universe that cannot exist without one another.

Here's my question. If these are retellings of the same story, which is older? Or, which is closer to the source? Since I doubt all chronological claims, I think the storytelling itself might be a guide.

So, if your two warring chimera-like gods are thought of as opposing philosophical concepts, are they likely to be more or less ancient?

If your two warring characters are just brothers who become the patriarchs of actual human societies, is their story likely to be the foundational story that later philosophies are built on? Or is it more likely a degraded, localized, concretized version of the grander narrative?

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Per AI, Wikipedia, and all the myth books I can get my hands on, Jacob, Horus, and Mars have never been linked together by any scholar. But I suspect I'll find it eventually. Considering how important the Patriarchs of the Old Testament are to a billion people, I think this is minorly important

Wile E. Coyote

In: Arizona

I really dont know. I can only offer some thoughts

It seems to me that Horus=Horizon, I think the ancient viewer is making a link between the red planet and red sunrises or sunsets and associating these with war (war....nings?)

The Viking Sagas feature battles between those that beleive in the Red God Thor and those that beleve in the White God Christ.

I like Viking Lady better than AI.

https://www.vikinganswerlady.com/hvitkrst.shtml

Is this a retelling of of the the biblical story of Jacob (white) and his twin brother Esau (Red).

Hope that helps a bit?

Wile E. Coyote

In: Arizona

Horus: From the Pyramid Texts: "A ladder has been knotted together by Horus, face to face with his father Osiris", and call out dynamically: "Stand up, O Ladder of Horus!"

This bit interests Wiley as this knotted ladder = celtic knotwork

These illustrated manuscripts feature knotted ladders.....we are looking at a spiritual snakes and ladders game.......

I hadnt realised that.

Thanks Pete.

Pete Jones
Site Admin

In: Virginia

Wile E. Coyote wrote:

I like Viking Lady better than AI.

https://www.vikinganswerlady.com/hvitkrst.shtml

Is this a retelling of of the the biblical story of Jacob (white) and his twin brother Esau (Red).

Your question is the crux of the matter. The viking poem on the Viking Lady site is much more complicated (and interesting) than the biblical version of Jacob and Esau. The OT is vague and cryptic, where even the excerpt on V Lady's site is much more detailed and complex.

A guy like Harold Bloom will say the OT is higher poetry because it's ironic and cryptic, but when you compare it to Egypt, Sumer, and even the Vikings, it looks degraded and like the literary ruins of a great tradition.

So, if Jacob is a retelling:

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