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Ishmael

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Something else of possible interest.
Tanzania is FULL of Albinos. I've never seen so many Albinos in all my life.
Now the thing about these Albinos is that they don't look merely like white-colored Negroes. There's always something "off" about their faces: A suggestion of broader genetic abnormality. Rarely are any of them attractive-looking: Quite the opposite.
White skin appears to be a recessive gene that expresses itself along with other recessive genes when something goes genetically wrong.
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Ishmael

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On the subject of Albinos, there was a story from a few years back that Congolese Africans were murdering Albinos due to a "rumor" that Albinos had gold nuggets inside their heads.
Where could such a rumor come from?
I can't help but wonder if there might be a connection with the original Hyperboreans.
There is, in fact, a popular idea among the alt-archeology set that "Egyptians" ingested powdered gold. If they did, is it possible that the gold dust accumulated somewhere inside their bodies?
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Mick Harper
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Lions and tigers are separate species because while they can mate and produce sterile offspring....
I didn't know this. I thought Ligers and Tyons were fertile. Silly me.
We were more closely related then. HOWEVER.... I have read that the occasional mule is fertile. Perhaps it only needed to work a few times in each area for the necessary genes to pass into the Hyperborean population. |
Mebbe.
My own suspicion is that Africa was full of Archaic species and there were multiple interbreedings with different species. This is why Africa has the largest genetic diversity of any continent.
My own explanation is that it was the last to be colonised by Homo Sapiens sapiens. [But that's not a great one either.]
I concur that it was last, and may have been colonized on different occasions. But it wasn't "Europeans" who colonized it because Africans have no Neanderthal DNA (if you trust the research). Perhaps it was colonized once by pure Hyperboreans and a second time by Indians (Tanzania is full of natives with obvious Indian blood). |
All human beings have Neanderthal DNA. We share ninety-something percent with chimpanzees! I don't know how they can sort out who's go what. I ran into a very similar problem with the genetic studies related to the spread of languages as per THOBR.
The details require real expertise to work out. |
Well, that rules us out. But I suspect nobody can work it out which is why everyone can say pretty much anything they like. Me, I just look at a Neanderthal and say 'no way'.
In the simple model, we conclude that every Earthly locale the Hyperboreans reached was successfully settled by the Hyperboreans only after they had acquired the necessary DNA from the local peoples. |
Because I don't know where you are going I cannot say this is a hopeless avenue to go down but you're certainly going to have a hard row to hoe. I would suggest you adopt one simple defensible assumption and run with it.
My own feeling is that it is the distinction between 'viable' groups eg whites, orientals, black Africans etc versus the non-viable ones e.g. bushmen, Ainau, Amerindians etc that is important. But you appear to have rejected that.
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Mick Harper
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(Aside: The most beautiful human female child I have ever seen in all my life, I saw here in Tanzania---the result of the union of a White father and a Black mother). Here's something that may be of interest. |
This has long been of interest to me since, as I keep pointing out, beauty is intensely important in human evolution. Survival of the prettiest. Yet nobody will go near this for some reason.
As rare as black-white couplings are, rarest of all is White Man and Black Woman. |
Wha-a-a? I thought it was the most common.
Something else of possible interest. Tanzania is FULL of Albinos. I've never seen so many Albinos in all my life. |
This surprises me. As I understood it albinos are treated as 'witches' (or whatever) and widely persecuted. Not the best vehicle for genetic advance.
Now the thing about these Albinos is that they don't look merely like white-colored Negroes. There's always something "off" about their faces: A suggestion of broader genetic abnormality. Rarely are any of them attractive-looking: Quite the opposite. |
That is true of most deviations from the norm.
White skin appears to be a recessive gene that expresses itself along with other recessive genes when something goes genetically wrong. |
I'm not sure an albino skin is a 'white' skin in the sense of a European skin.
On the subject of Albinos, there was a story from a few years back that Congolese Africans were murdering Albinos due to a "rumor" that Albinos had gold nuggets inside their heads. Where could such a rumor come from? I can't help but wonder if there might be a connection with the original Hyperboreans. |
Come on, Ishmael. It's a good method of disposing albinos would be my explanation. 'Nope, nothing in this head. Next!'
There is, in fact, a popular idea among the alt-archeology set that "Egyptians" ingested powdered gold. If they did, is it possible that the gold dust accumulated somewhere inside their bodies? |
This is quite common, I believe. Don't modern chefs use gold leaf shavings?
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | My own feeling is that it is the distinction between 'viable' groups eg whites, orientals, black Africans etc versus the non-viable ones e.g. bushmen, Ainau, Amerindians etc that is important. But you appear to have rejected that. |
Hold on tight...
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | This is quite common, I believe. Don't modern chefs use gold leaf shavings? |
Yes. The same fact was also in my mind.
Why do we do that?
The rumor is that gold has health benefits. If so, it might just stay inside the body.
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | All human beings have Neanderthal DNA. |
What you mean is that all human beings share DNA with Neandethals. This is not the same as claiming that Europeans have 4% of their genome that is found only in Neanderthals and that no other race of people have it.
That is the claim.
Based on my model, I believe it.
Again; 14% of African DNA is found in no other human population. The speculation is that this DNA came from a different loan species. Again; based on my model, I believe it. I particularly am given to believe it as no one talks about it. Uncomfortable "facts" are more likely to prove true than comfortable "facts."
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Mick Harper
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All human beings have Neanderthal DNA.
What you mean is that all human beings share DNA with Neandethals. This is not the same as claiming that Europeans have 4% of their genome that is found only in Neanderthals and that no other race of people have it. |
Yes, I see that. They said the same thing about Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Latinates. Genetics just hasn't reached this level of sophistication is strictly my opinion.
That is the claim. Based on my model, I believe it. |
A very dangerous way of going about it but you're entitled.
Again; 14% of African DNA is found in no other human population. The speculation is that this DNA came from a different loan species. Again; based on my model, I believe it. I particularly am given to believe it as no one talks about it. Uncomfortable "facts" and more likely to prove true than comfortable "facts." |
You go for it.
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Ishmael

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THE HYPERBOREANS: HUMAN ORIGINS PART V
The Hyperborean age, the last inter-glacial, was the age that gave rise to modern humans. It lasted eons. Uncountable time.
During that age, human beings transformed from a naked creature that could use simple throwing weapons (spears with stone tips), into fully-clothed creatures who had mastered complex weaponry and machinery with a fully-functional textile industry. How far along they got in the path of progress I can't tell you, but I err on the conservative side. The true Hyperboreans in the far north certainly mastered stellar navigation, being exposed to the stars and only the stars for six months of the year. Likely their simple religious impulses had developed into a complex theology as well. The Hyperboreans had culture.
That culture emphasized cooperation, egalitarianism, non-violence, empathy, and community. All necessary instincts for survival in the darkness of the north, even given its temperate climate. It is likely that white skin evolved there too, as all animals, when bread for docility, tend to become whiter over generations. Even snow-white (which suggests nature knows precisely where those selective pressures are likely to emerge).
These changes, taking place over eons, impacted all humans in and around the north pole, and not just the true Hyperboreans. The closer those humans lived to the pole, the more impacted they were, both culturally and genetically. My guess is that forebears of the Orientals were closest to the pole (supported by the fact that all Eskimos are Orientals), with the forebears of the European Whites (Neanderthals) a little lower down, with some overlap. Below them were the forerunners of the Arabs and, farther down still, were the sub-continental forebears (having some overlap with the Arabs). Farthest south of all, and least impacted, were the genetic stock that would later interbreed with Hyperboreans to produce the African Blacks.
Yeah. That sounds really racist. It isn't. It's just a recognition that these groups exhibit the incomplete retinue of Hyperborean characteristics given above to a varying degree that can actually be ranked, and which happens to mirror their present locations relative the north pole. A rather interesting phenomenon, I should think.
It is important to reiterate, however, that all these human group are today no less than 86% Hyperborean in origin. We are all cousins and, though we trace part of our lineage back to this less-civilized local stock, most of what we are we owe to our other parents: The Hyperboreans. This is reflected in the rather odd fact that, regardless of how uncivilized may be any given present-day peoples, we all seem to agree on what a virtuous society should look like.
That said; all these changes took place north of the equator. Exclusively north of the equator. For generations after the north became uninhabitable, the equator itself continued to prove impenetrable to the Hyperborean genome.
Millions(?) of years before, this same process had played out on a world without humans (as it had many times before). That was the world that had given rise to the Placental animals. They too had evolved exclusively in the northern hemisphere, leaving the entire southern hemisphere to the marsupials. The marsupials remained unchanged by polar conditions as, at that particular time, only the north enjoyed land-access to the poles. The marsupials in the south were unable to migrate to the south pole, it being either under water or being surrounded by an ocean moat thousands of miles in width. As a result, they were isolated from its influences and remained largely unchanged.
When the equatorial barrier broke down on that previous occasion, the Placentals managed, ultimately, to pass through. Thus began their slow conquest of the southern hemisphere, which continues to this day. Today, only the Australian continent, the most southerly land-mass, remains unconquered.
When modern humans evolved, like the Placentals, they emerged exclusively in the northern hemisphere. Any human beings that may have been present in the south were wholly isolated from these influences, cut-off from the north by the impassable torrid zone.
But were there, during that inter-glacial period, any humans isolated in the southern hemisphere?
I believe there were. And what happened to them affords the strongest evidence that all I've told you is true.
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Mick Harper
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THE HYPERBOREANS: HUMAN ORIGINS PART V The Hyperborean age, the last inter-glacial, was the age that gave rise to modern humans. It lasted eons. Uncountable time. |
OK
During that age, human beings transformed from a naked creature that could use simple throwing weapons (spears with stone tips), into fully-clothed creatures who had mastered complex weaponry and machinery with a fully-functional textile industry. |
It may not be strictly necessary but it would be good to know how, after a few billion years of evolution on earth, one species could do things no other organism had even come close to doing.
How far along they got in the path of progress I can't tell you, but I err on the conservative side. The true Hyperboreans in the far north certainly mastered stellar navigation, being exposed to the stars and only the stars for six months of the year. Likely their simple religious impulses had developed into a complex theology as well. The Hyperboreans had culture. |
There was no stopping them even if we may not know what started them.
That culture emphasized cooperation, egalitarianism, non-violence, empathy, and community. |
He's gone all liberal on us again. I've had words but it doesn't seem to have had any effect.
All necessary instincts for survival in the darkness of the north |
I'd say competition, hierarchies, violence, hatred and family values myself but who can say?
even given its temperate climate. |
So no change there.
It is likely that white skin evolved there too |
Let's not forget that the only people we know to have lived in polar climes were a right swarthy bunch.
as all animals, when bred for docility, tend to become whiter over generations. Even snow-white (which suggests nature knows precisely where those selective pressures are likely to emerge).
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I'll have to agree with this since it is taken straight out of The Megalithic Empire.
These changes, taking place over eons, impacted all humans in and around the north pole, and not just the true Hyperboreans. The closer those humans lived to the pole, the more impacted they were, both culturally and genetically. |
OK
My guess is that forebears of the Orientals were closest to the pole (supported by the fact that all Eskimos are Orientals) |
They've got the eye fold certainly. Maybe that's important when life is either all-dark or all-light.
with the forebears of the European Whites (Neanderthals) a little lower down, with some overlap. |
My views on this miscegenation are well known.
Below them were the forerunners of the Arabs and, farther down still, were the sub-continental forebears (having some overlap with the Arabs). Farthest south of all, and least impacted, were the genetic stock that would later interbreed with Hyperboreans to produce the African Blacks. |
OK
Yeah. That sounds really racist. It isn't. |
Why apologise for being racist? We're all lillywhite on that score here.
It's just a recognition that these groups exhibit the incomplete retinue of Hyperborean characteristics given above to a varying degree that can actually be ranked, and which happens to mirror their present locations relative the north pole. A rather interesting phenomenon, I should think. |
I agree, though I would need to see more systematisation than this before endorsing the notion.
It is important to reiterate, however, that all these human groups are today no less than 86% Hyperborean in origin. |
Is that to two significant figures?
We are all cousins and, though we trace part of our lineage back to this less-civilized local stock, most of what we are we owe to our other parents: The Hyperboreans. This is reflected in the rather odd fact that, regardless of how uncivilized may be any given present-day peoples, we all seem to agree on what a virtuous society should look like. |
You've lost me here.
That said; all these changes took place north of the equator. Exclusively north of the equator. For generations after the north became uninhabitable, the equator itself continued to prove impenetrable to the Hyperborean genome. |
This is the important bit.
Millions(?) of years before, this same process had played out on a world without humans (as it had many times before). That was the world that had given rise to the Placental animals. They too had evolved exclusively in the northern hemisphere, leaving the entire southern hemisphere to the marsupials. The marsupials remained unchanged by polar conditions as, at that particular time, only the north enjoyed land-access to the poles. The marsupials in the south were unable to migrate to the south pole, it being either under water or being surrounded by an ocean moat thousands of miles in width. As a result, they were isolated from its influences and remained largely unchanged. |
OK
When the equatorial barrier broke down on that previous occasion, the Placentals managed, ultimately, to pass through. Thus began their slow conquest of the southern hemisphere, which continues to this day. Today, only the Australian continent, the most southerly land-mass, remains unconquered. |
OK. (I would think the survival of marsupials on two other continents will support your thesis.)
When modern humans evolved, like the Placentals, they emerged exclusively in the northern hemisphere. Any human beings that may have been present in the south were wholly isolated from these influences, cut-off from the north by the impassable torrid zone. |
My own thesis, if you remember that far back, was it happened in Canada.
But were there, during that inter-glacial period, any humans isolated in the southern hemisphere? I believe there were. And what happened to them affords the strongest evidence that all I've told you is true. |
Can't wait.
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Mick Harper
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As I was posting up today's contribution in the Medium Fakes thread in the British History section, I realised that these dudes were playing havoc with the trees up there in Arcticland and points south. I offer them to you for your own purposes.
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | It may not be strictly necessary but it would be good to know how, after a few billion years of evolution on earth, one species could do things no other organism had even come close to doing. |
Jeeze. I can't solve every mystery of the universe. I'm just concentrating on one small mystery here. The origins of modern humans.
That said, I believe that this final foray into the north was not the only time it happened to us. Human beings evolved through repeated exposure to the northern environment. With one caveat.
The first time our genetic ancestors went into the inter-glacial north, they entered with weaknesses that made them inherently unfit for physical adaptation to the environment. They were an evolutionary dead-end that should have gone extinct during the previous glacial period. Miraculously, they survived. It was a remnant population that entered the frigid zone during the subsequent interglacial.
We emerged from those eons of exposure to the north with the capacity for speech (our most obvious physical adaptation), rudimentary religious belief, and the ability to manufacture simple throwing weapons (among other things). This constituted the baseline humanity that succeeded in spreading over the globe before the most-recent inter-glacial, when those humans in the northern hemisphere would retreat to the pole once again.
That baseline humanity was still physically maladapted to the northern environment, but we now had a foundation for further genetic refinement: What we had gained on the previous foray. Among other things, this latest exposure would gift us with the intelligence to manufacture machines---and the instinctive desire to never be in public without our clothes on.
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | That culture emphasized cooperation, egalitarianism, non-violence, empathy, and community. |
He's gone all liberal on us again. I've had words but it doesn't seem to have had any effect. |
We know the traits the northern environment encouraged because they increase in expression among modern populations with their proximity to the north pole.
There's also further evidence, upcoming.
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | We are all cousins and, though we trace part of our lineage back to this less-civilized local stock, most of what we are we owe to our other parents: The Hyperboreans. This is reflected in the rather odd fact that, regardless of how uncivilized may be any given present-day peoples, we all seem to agree on what a virtuous society should look like. |
You've lost me here. |
Watch the marvel superhero movie, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. It depicts a fictional black civilization in Africa that was never "oppressed" by colonialism. It's obviously a White utopia. Because, it turns out, White utopia is also Black utopia. The movie is popular among Black people the world over (to the point where some Black people in America believe Wakanda is a real place).
Human beings revere the same systems and share the same conceptions of what makes for an ideal society. Though different human populations are oppressed by deviancy to varying degree, we all seem to understand these deviance as vices.
That suggests a common, underlying genetic instinct toward a certain kind of order: An order ideally suited to survival at the inter-glacial pole.
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Ishmael

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Mick Harper wrote: | It is likely that white skin evolved there too |
Let's not forget that the only people we know to have lived in polar climes were a right swarthy bunch. |
Orientals, including Eskimos, are basically squinting White people with a summer tan.
Incidentally; orientals aren't the only squinting peoples. There are Icelanders and some other Nordic ethnic groups that exhibit this same trait. My suspicion is that the Nordic ethnicities, in particular, are the closest living relatives of the Hyperboreans, evidenced also by their almost pure white skin and straight blond hair.
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